in the u.s there it's bare bones you play the tournaments no conditions you pay everything and you got to win big or else you lose money like if you look at her aunt mel kumian he probably traveled from armenia he probably had to fly to the us and when you add in that flight he probably lost money even though he finished in third and had a great tournament if these players who finish in third to seventh could play from home for example they're making their prize fund they're making 2100 bucks they're not they're not having to spend all this money on on travel and food so if you have more tournaments online it is a good thing across the board um but but anyway the point is this player played todd of steel so tata still is a traditional tournament held in the netherlands um in in late uh in late january of 2000 or late january every single year it was held this year in 2021 as well now i'm gonna get rid of this and the player played in this event and they had a very bad event they dropped about 28 points it was a very rough event for them and um and so they finished near the bottom of the prize near the bottom of this of the table out of the 14 participants now in this event um they have prize money their first prize i think is is ten thousand dollars second seconds uh sponsors i i'll talk about that separately second second i think was like sixty five hundred third was like five thousand it goes like four three but at the bottom there's no money so there are only i believe the first five players get paid for the event now the thing with todd of steel um is that they have a price that seems very very low but what they do have is what we call appearance feeds so um yes you can lose 28 points if you lose a lot of games so so basically what happened is is uh this player they had a very rough event they lost a lot of ranking points and they finished i think in like 12th or 13th place and so they didn't make any prize money however players they do get an appearance fee and um based on my own experience from having played in the tournament having some idea of the ranges i'm just going to use an estimate that even though they finished near the bottom they made a 10 000 appearance fee and they played the german bonus league they played three games it was over a weekend now one thing you have in europe that you don't have in the um in the us per se is uh you have what are leagues so you have with these weekend events where you play like three games sometimes like the german buddhist league it's over seven weekends you could play potentially 14 or 15 games with chess but they break it up so this player they they were in germany or in europe probably right after todd of steel and they played played in the german buddhist league and they played three games now my assumption for this there is prizm at the very end but um but it's it who really knows how much it is and um they played three games so my assumption on this player who was about 2750 is that they played the german bundesliga they played it over friday saturday sunday three games individually that they made three thousand seven hundred fifty dollars um or approximately twelve hundred fifty bucks per game again those figures range i know for example when players like vish vishy anand or magnus carlson playing some of these leagues they can command up to two thousand dollars for playing a single game of chess so um so it varies widely but i'm just going to use a 1250 figure um that they that they uh that that they made um uh and now the other thing i would say about this player is that i think they started streaming yesterday or the day before so i wish i'm nothing but luck um you guys have already figured out who it is as well so um so so yeah i just want to add that anyway uh so i'm gonna assume they made 1250. they might have made less so let's just go with 1250 as an estimate i don't know these figures for for a fact um and now let's let's keep going so next next next event that this player played in was the gashma memorial which is a tournament that is held in shamkir azerbaijan in april so they played in the skashma gashama memorial and as you see as i add in my notes they they had a very rough tournament they finished i think seventh or eighth out of nine players so again they finished near the bottom of the field um and now for this term as well i think they say the first prize is um is i believe 60 thousand or forty thousand dollars but again there are no prizes at the bottom so we assume that there are probably um again appearance fees that are that are involved where players get paid to plan the event so i'm going to assume it was in it was in it was an azerbaijan they finished second to last i'm gonna use a ten thousand estimate even though i really have no i mean i really have no no good way to to guess but i'm just gonna i'm just gonna say they make 10k but basically the way the fide grand prix works is it's a it's a field of 16 players so it's a knockout event 16 8 4 2 1. now the prizes for that let me let me try to remember what the prizes were um let me pull this up uh so so yeah so the prizes for this the total prize one is 130 000 130 000 um now now overall the winner of the event gets 24 000. uh it's actually euros but anyway 24 000 to the winner 14 000 a second 10 000 for the two people who lose in the semi-finals 8 000 for round two and 5 000 for round one so getting getting back to getting back to notepad oh i'm just gonna use dollars now because it's too much to convert too much for the conversion but anyway they played defeated grand prix in moscow they played the event they played i think two or three days they lost in the very first round so it was two two or three days um and they made five thousand dollars so next up we have norway chess this was again april may they so that this unnamed player played this norway chess event it's held in norway every single year um they do have they do have prizes as well so let me um let me let me pull this up as well so this player i think you can fit you obviously can figure it out now they played in the they played in the paris grand chess tour and they finished in seventh plate they finished okay it's not me they finished in eighth place i guess technically um so i i made a mistake with the ordering but any anyway um that was that was actually unintentional i finished in eighth place but as you see the bottom four prizes are all the same so for all these grand chelsea events you see the prizes are if you win it you make thirty uh thirty seven thousand five hundred if you um if you finish in second is twenty five thousand twenty and so forth and it keeps going down bottom four prizes are always 7 500 if it's a rapid event so now to give you guys also an idea to keep keep this really in mind because it's important note um which is that if you think about this amount of money 7 500 if you played in this magnus carlson invitational which just happened um and you and you say you you didn't make it out of the quarterfinals i believe the prize money you got was five thousand dollars so if you lost without qualifying for the final eight you still made five thousand relative to seven thousand five hundred now keep in mind of course when you play over the board chess there there are obviously um there are obviously a lot of events where you um where you have to travel there their costs are food costs there are like hotel costs all kinds of other things extraneous things that matter um so so it is worth noting that while it's a little bit higher versus online with all the all the lack of wear and tear it makes it makes a difference so next up we have the phoenix grand prix in riga now this player who i've already named they went on to win this event a huge victory for them um as i said before the prizes uh were uh 24 000 euros um for the winner 14 000 for second place and so on so this player won the whole event there they beat maxine vascular grav in the final and they made 30 000 roughly so so again keep this in mind because like it the the victories are the things that that um uh that really sort of that add up and this is why when i talk about like this level of players if you don't win events you don't have any of these big caches very similar to poker um it makes makes a huge difference so let's keep going so let's let's keep going so next up is the grand chess tour in croatia they finished again very rough event for them this one was a classical event mind you so um so so the prize money was different i'll change the graphic give me one second um and pull this up okay here we go okay so this tournament was a very bad tournament for myself as well as you guys will notice i i had a very bad result there but uh we're not talking about me at the moment so you'll notice that in this one instead of the bottom prize being seventy five hundred dollars it was ten thousand dollars because this was a classical tournament that ran over two total weeks um this is this probably by the way was the worst term that i've had in the last like i don't know like three years it was really really bad because a lot of people ask like how do pros make a living do they make a good living and like why is it like someone like um you know someone like hans neiman or you know eric cancer people like 25 2600 do they really make a good living or not so i'm trying to take it at the top tier i'll find 20 i have 2700 in mind and then i'll just basically give you guys a rundown of opens and all these other things this player had a reason had had a pretty good year they made they made uh total was 171 500 roughly um so it's pretty good again keep in mind all these numbers are pre-taxed so for example i like this norway chess prize for example i know in norwich they always have they always have um is it i think it's at least 15 with holdings so already for norway chess that's like there's a 15 with holdings um if you look at the uh grand chess tour or the specific ones in st louis the us as you know there's a 33 with holdings um for foreigners who do not who do not have green cards so there's like 33 percent that is i believe which which goes right out the door if i'm not mistaken um so so if i'm not mistaken someone can correct me on that but but this is this is just right this is just right off the top so you guys are like it's really really good right so you think it's like it's fan it's fantastic um but again at least at least 33 of this 23k is um is is withheld by the irs first of all you have 50 withholdings in norway um i also don't know what the taxes are in um in azerbaijan but anyway uh that doesn't really matter but then beyond that you have to keep in mind there probably are expenses that you have you have expenses like um traveling you have to pay your trainers as well um you have your food all these different things but now think about it this way imagine that you are now 2700 and you don't have the grand chess tour because a lot of this money is comprised from from playing like these grand chester events you have one two three you have um you have four and then you have the the parish gct that's one two okay so you have one two three four five five grand chess tour events for example that um that that are here that that basically um without those that takes off at least what's a takeoff 23k 30 uh 37.5 and then like um then then one more is it yeah then another 10k so it's like you're talking about 50k already right here from the grand chess tour um so if you take if you if you don't get get invited to grand chelsea already and that only applies like the top 10 players in the world more or less then that takes a huge chunk out of what you would what you would um what you would make so so this is this is for a top level player this is for a player who's really right near the top and um doing incredibly well now i have another example as well it's the player who is who's not um who's not sort of the same same rating but they they had a very good run because they they want to they want a couple of events um but i'm just going to use them as another example and they have a very different path they also make a very good living by the way but they have a very different path and i'm using the examples sort of a people who have done really really um really well and so you're gonna remember there are players who probably do not have these victories in here and um and so so that's kind of the reason all right so let's start with this player unnamed player number two they played in the gibraltar chess festival in 2019 now they finishing clear first including a victory against me they wanted they won a very nice game against me it was the first time i'd lost in gibraltar in like um i know like six or seven years it was very very unfortunate but anyway they won this so they won this they won first prize which is 25 000 pounds roughly translate gbp into usd something like 34 600 roughly so i'm just going to mark this as as a victory because because this matters too next time that they played in was the world team championship where they represented the great country of russia um so what's the rating of this player i think at the time he was right around 27 he might have been 27 10 27 15 like 27 10 versus 27.50 um he represented russia in the world team championship again you represent your country there um there there's difference between the world team the european team championship and like the continental team championship so like there's the european team championship which is like all the european countries there's the um there's the uh there's a world team championship which is like china us everyone from around the world so i'm just gonna assume they played it they made ten thousand dollars just so just a pure estimate next part they played in european individual team championship where again much like gibraltar they tied for first place with a certain certain country man of mine by the name of niels grandilius and they they made twenty one thousand dollars so this is two two victories next up they played the russian team championship very similar to like the german buddhist league or the french league or the spanish and so forth um and in in that in that event uh they i'm gonna assume they got paid a thousand bucks a game really no way to judge but just just an assumption that they made like they played nine games got paid one thousand per game so i'm just going to use a 9k estimate that's just that's just what i'm gonna use um or nine thousand dollars so next up you have this term the karpov koikovsky tournament where they finished in first prize they won this event as well again no no no actual figures here um in in terms of uh in terms of like what the prize fund was but i'm just gonna use a 15k estimate this is the third one which they where they won the event so next up there's the danju chess tournament where they which was a six player round robin held in china um they finished in fourth place i think first place was twenty thousand second was like ten thousand i'm gonna assume the last like three or four players got like five thousand i mean it's it's not it's not about being paraded i'm just giving an example for people i'm just i'm just taking examples it's not like it's not there's this is nothing to do with trying to act like someone from from like making fun of people that's not the point and also the another reason i would say with shaq that's important to note is that shaq publicly has spoken about how hard it is to make a living from chess um so so that's that's the other part that i would add as well i mean he gave interviews where he said that where he he made comments about it um so i'm gonna assume they made five thousand dollars here um next up we have the russian super final in 2019 where this player shared fifth to ninth place again no actual numbers they i think that i think i saw something saying the price was like 65 6.5 million um rubles which was like eighty seven thousand five hundred dollars or something like that um so just an estimate that he shared fifth to ninth place i'm just gonna use a ten thousand estimate no no no real way to um no real way to have any idea um uh next is uh the feeding world cup where they played and they lost in the third round they had a very difficult um i forget i think they lost to la quang liam and thai breaks if i remember correctly same event that that the previous player played they lost run one round earlier where so they made like 16 000 versus 25 000 um they played the isle of man grand swiss and unfortunately this player had a very rough event there uh they finished well outside of the top 30 players and and so they made no money which in essence means that in this event they lost money uh when you add in like the the food and probably the the transportation all these little things that's not to say it's like a lot but it's still probably it's probably a net negative um so and then after that the only other tournament that they played in was at the end of the year like everybody the feed a world rapid and blitz now and they had actually a really good event in the uh in defeated world rapid they tied for second so in this tie for second was myself this player and ali reza farrugia the winner was magnus carlson who won clear first um and and so they had they this was cha-ching nice event they they finished really high in this this event and um they made they they made forty thousand dollars roughly and then there was also the blitz event where this player this player finished in six in a tie for six and twentieth place they made 8 200 also quite good actually it's pretty amazing when you look at this it's actually i think a few less events but it's really just like maximizing like this this this is like a huge huge victory here this one is good this is big this is big um so this it's really impressive the way that they performed i mean winning winning basically winning these three events and finishing right right near the top so very very impressive result i think this one i think i think i did this math earlier it comes out to like you know 168k so these are players who are being very very successful this like especially in this case they won they performed and won some big uh won some big events here um so these are these are this is like the 2750 the 2700 um and and so forth and and you see it's really really good now what i would say is that you take take this example now let's go down the list and say there are players who are like 26 60 or 26 80 even um i'm not going to say like nils which is someone in that rating range i don't have stats for this but if you're in in this rating range what happens is most of these events are not available to you so for example if we look at the at this this event um well let's look at let's look first up here so the fide grand prix was available only to players who are over 2 700 levels so um so players like 2680 probably is not playing the feed a grand prix cycle which if we look here it comes out to one um two and there should be a third there should be a third event i don't know if they didn't play the third event or maybe i missed it um but that's three events right there that's missing um and then if you look at the grand chess tour this is one two three four five that's five events so already without the grand chess tour and without the fide grand prix um it's very very difficult and so someone who's like someone who's like in the range like 2600 2700 ish they are they're not going to end up in any of these tournaments because they're invite only events so already you're talking about um you're talking about a situation where players are on that level have to play a lot of open tournaments so now i'm going to say basically if you're anywhere from the range of 2500 to 2700 level what are your options in terms of events that you can play in mostly it's going to be limited to either either um either club tournaments or it's going to be limited to um not club terms sorry teams where you play like in these leagues where you play like in spain or in france or in germany or in russia russia is a little bit harder harder to plan i know players like eric hanson for example he played in spain so the prize is our first prize is 30 000 pounds second prize is 20 000. third is 15 fourth is 10 fifth is eight six is six seven is four eight is three ninth is two and tenth is one thousand so again at the very top it looks very good this is the final rankings of gibraltar in 20 um in 2020 years don't really matter that much um but if you look at the results you think those prizes are really great right you say 30 you see 20 you see 15. now think about this result you have one two three four five six seven people tied for first place so you have seven people time for first place so now if i pull this back up this is the first seven prizes right so you end up with ninety three thousand pounds divided by seven so they all do very well they make um you make probably i don't know like 16 17 000 us dollars very very good result but now if you think about all these guys who finish in this next level let me turn off the graphic this next level all these people who finish on seven there there's what one two three four five six seven eight nine 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 players who finish one half point out of first prize and these players um i don't know how much money they make but i'm betting it's less than one thousand dollars it's just my guess based on the prizes um so all these players have an amazing result they score seven points um some of them i'm sure outperform have great events they finish one half point out of first prize and they make less than a thousand dollars so it's um it's very very rough and it's half a point one half point you know is the difference between like uh making like sixteen thousand dollars and making like one thousand dollars and so when people see these big prizes at the top it's like oh well you know you can win do very well but in many cases there are situations where you end up with big ties so the money gets chopped up in many different ways well this is why what i would say is again with chess i think this argument is this is why you need more sponsors because because it's a situation where uh where basically i think there's a lot of money up top and it's it's very good but you don't you don't have enough sponsor you don't have enough tournaments and this is also why i think as chess becomes more popular especially with online interest there are more opportunities it's not just limited to the absolute top players it's the same for tennis i mean i'm sure tennis is it's pretty rough there too but so aeroflot has multiple tournaments but they have tournament a where the ratings are 25 49 or better again 2550 level um and you see the first price for the for the aeroflot open is eighteen thousand dollars second is ten third is seven thousand and what you have here it's a little bit it's a little bit better you have six and a half here you have four people who tied for first so they they probably spit split um how much do they split they split 18 10 28 plus 7 35 they split 39 000 four ways pretty good nearly 10 000 each um for these top four players very good result actually i didn't even notice that aravind the indian junior finishes up here in fourth place which is uh which is which is pretty amazing um very good result for him and then you see there are a lot of players basically the next one two three four five six players they take the rest of the money again i don't think it's not much um they take what seventy three thousand seventeen hundred times five so it's what eleven thousand five hundred divided by six so it's a little over two thousand roughly that you're looking at if you if again you finish one half point out of first place so very very rough and remember there are only so many open tournaments every single year that you can play in um so so here again if you like if you have a bad game or you know even if you outperform for example and you finish half point out you make like two thousand dollars and again for some of these terms there are entry fees as well so it's not always just a free entry free free hotel room that they that they cover so this one you see these are the prizes for uh for for the for the um for the dubai open you see first price thirteen thousand dollars quite nice second place seven third fifth four thirty five twenty five hundred and again you look at the prizes so what what what happens here you guys look yet again we have a big tie you one two three four five six seven players on seven points so now if you if you presume that seven players um who who all tie that's the first seven places the players made like three thousand roughly three three thousand dollars for having uh having a tie do they cut up the trophy into seven pieces too very funny you guys very very funny um no they don't do that of course of course they don't do that so um so basically again you see a situation with an open term they probably have some tie break maybe there's a little bit of extra money but you're looking at three thousand dollars potentially if you have a great result you tied for first place when you look at this field by the way look at this let me let me close again this doesn't even do justice when you look at this field of um of the players look at these players you have matlakov right around 2700 amazing player i played him many times laquan liam definitely a top-notch player 27-11 koozabob itour zaga cinahl i mean these are all these are all very very strong players uh and i played most of them and um and they they make around three thousand dollars so it's it's pretty it's pretty it's pretty rough um and again it's another open tournament where you have a great tournament finish finish in in a tie for first place and you make three thousand dollars i played alexander into chess.com quite a few times as well keep in mind that when you win one of these terms you're not going to win every single time so if you win one of these tournaments it's like 5k but most likely you're not going to win every single time um top place barely breaks even while also i don't know what the conditions would be for this event there might be some some extra money doled out for like airfare or food they might give like a stipend perhaps but regardless the point is that you know this term these players have great results matlakov especially like long time trainer of i think with svidler and maybe he's worked at dubob also but i mean someone who's very very strong i've played him many times and it's still maybe five thousand dollars and these are players who are extremely good extremely good so okay so so next would be like the sharjah master this will be the last one i show um so you you have you have the sharjah sharjah masters and again what do we have here it's it's not too different you have one two three four five seven guys tied for first place again so seven players tied for first place and you'll notice also oh well reza i didn't notice holly reza ali reza also also tied for uh first place here nice result for him um so you have like you have a seven way tie same kind of thing as as i think i said before it's a seven way tie so that is how much is it that's uh 25 000 plus 13 000 plus 12 000 and then you chop it up by seven and the players make seven thousand dollars pretty pretty pretty pretty good seven thousand dollars for playing this tournaments nine rounds roughly week roughly like two weeks or they're about um and they make like little over seven thousand dollars not bad um again though the point the point that i would make when you when you look at when you look at this though is that um you see this these there probably are more more events that that exists but at any rate the the events that i saw for 2019 for open terms were like one two three four five six seven open tournament so if you're like 25 50 if you're like 25 50 or thereabouts these are your tournaments this is your your goal of where you're playing you can maybe play a league like let's just say the spanish team well let me give you a best scenario let's say you play a spanish team championship the french team championship um let's say even the uh german bundesliga let's let's let's go with those three for now there additionally there's like polish czech you know there there there i think are a couple others there's a russian obviously although russian one is almost exclusively uh russians um but basically you end up in this so let's just assume you're 25 50. you probably can make i'm going to say 500 per game let's just assume you play nine games i'm just going to use nine some are longer but i'll just use this as as basic math um and let's say you play nine games in each of these leagues you'll make 500 x 9 uh or you know you make 4 500 each and let's let's just use a best case scenario let's say you play every single one you play every single one and um and you make like 500 500 that's like that's what 4 500 that's 9k that's uh wait that's that's uh 40 that's 9k plus 9 18 18 plus 45 that's 22.5 i believe so it's 22 500 roughly that you can make from from playing and like playing in the uh playing in in the in the five leagues as an example so you make like 22 500 that's that's that's that's it's it's not nothing but let's just say you make 22 500 for example yeah i know my formatting is terrible um don't they get extra for placement um not not sure not not sure how that works but let's just assume you know that you make 22 hundred um from leagues let's say you play every league you play nine games you make this um now when you look at these tournaments as as i've highlighted with with most of these events if you don't finish right at the top you're gonna probably make like the finish half point out or one point out of first place you're probably gonna make like you know one to two thousand dollars let's let's assume you do well let's say you average at times let's say you play five of these opens that's uh an additional ten thousand dollars that comes out to um thirty two thousand five hundred dollars and that's excluding a that excludes taxes b that excludes food and travel and everything else so at the end of the day if you're like 25 50 and you you have like everything goes your way like you get to play a lot of tournaments and and you even get to play leagues you're still talking like or sorry it's too far off the page now but you're talking you're talking like roughly like 32 500. so when people people ask like you know and that this is like if you're in america for example you literally can't do it because all these tournaments are abroad but basically what happens is you you end up in a situation for like hans where he's trying to be in stay in europe so he has a chance to play little open tournaments here and there play maybe play maybe a league or something and the cost is much lower as well so um that's like a large part of white hands in europe but even here even if things are really really good i mean you would need to have probably high tie for first and like at least like two or three of these tournaments to come close to making like 80 70 80 000 a year and it's very very difficult um so it's it's pretty it's pretty tricky to put it mildly from england to gibraltar yes well the costs are much lower within um within europe obviously but um i just want i just want to make that point so that that's why there are there sponsorships for top level players i think there are um for players it's like 25 50 to 2650 range there aren't and this is also why to give you an example i'm i'm so very happy um for krikkor that he's that he has this that he has that he's been able to stream become successful there are a lot of brazilians who love his stream and he makes a living for streaming he has the sponsorship deal with fouria because um at the end of the day someone like krikor was 25 50 very strong player you see like you see his talent he has a very good understanding of the game but if you try to play tournaments and make a living it's just not realistic it's not possible um and so that's why like when when people wonder like you know about hans or these other people it's very difficult this is also why the last point i'm gonna make about this is that you need to have support from parents and that's why when you seek when you see the players who are young becoming strong they're becoming strong because like all these costs that you think about like traveling food if you're like 13 14 years old you're just playing the chess game it's your parents who are who are supporting you and paying these costs so like you can solely focus on chess whereas when you're like 18 19 20 you have to worry about um you have to worry about you know how am i buying food i have to buy this airline ticket you know i have to retrain ticket i have to use the credit card like it's not it's not trivial so that's why a lot of times if players you know who are really talented they get to some they become an adult um and you don't necessarily have parents supporting you in that kind of way it's very very hard to keep progressing because the real life issues start start mattering i mean having to find a place to live having to worry about food travel all these things like you don't just get to play chess and focus only on chess so it is really important um can you can you make money from being signed by an esports organization yeah well like india is a perfect example of where like in the country of india i think almost all the players over 2 600 they're sponsored by like state oil companies or um or telecom companies tech all sorts of different things and that is that is simply because of vishyanan who became the world chess champion and transformed the interest and chess in that country and that's why i would say like for vichy um to me he ranks really really highly in my book because what he what he's done besides being a great chess player is he's raised the prospects for all these other all these other players in india where they have these opportunities that don't really occur in most other countries so so that's why yeah for to me vicious is right up there at the very top um how good is the u.s sponsorship on the us you have you have some tournaments that are um that that are uh that have good prizes but again it's in the u.s to be clear you might have a tournament like let me see if i can find the world open this is where it gets tricky so this is the us so this is the world open which was held in um in 2019 and it's like july 2nd to 7th base there are a couple sections whatever it doesn't really matter the thing that matters is the price one so you see the price and you see 2010 525 so let's so this is the prize fund um for the world open now again i think in the us open there was actually or in the us or in the world open there was actually a clear winner if i'm not mistaken um you basically have two players at the top who take home all the money la quang ling laquon and jeffrey zhang tai for first place they they both make fifteen thousand five hundred dollar extra bonus for the quanks he won the tiebreaker right so uh so so not not so crazy laquon makes fifteen five jeffrey makes fifteen nice but again look at all these players one two three four five players who finish in third to seventh place they make 21 20. now there are two things that that i will say about us terms that make it much different the first thing is that there are no conditions you pay your hotel you pay your airfare you pay your stipend you do not get any conditions from the organizer unlike in europe um you don't get any conditions so the players who finish in third to seventh most likely lost money in this tournament they most likely made they probably lost money like if you look at her aunt mel kumian he probably traveled from armenia he probably had to fly to the us and when you add in that flight he probably lost money even though he finished in third and had a great tournament playing conditions in europe sometimes they um sometimes you get hotel covered sometimes they give you a stipend for travel but in this case in the us there it's bare bones you play the tournaments no conditions you pay everything and you gotta win big or else you lose money which is another reason why someone like hans niemann has gone to europe to play in europe because the costs are cheaper there also are some conditions as well um but it's it's pretty insane when you think about that you you know you have a great tournament you score seven points out of nine you finish entire for third to seventh place and you um you lose money and then yeah eighth to ten 257 dollars for all these gm's look at christian bauer travels from fans to play the world open probably 257 dollars probably loses money almost for sure he loses money here um so it's it's very very difficult uh you know in us tournaments very very difficult even harder than in european events but yeah so anyway i thought i would just show you show this to you guys um because try trying trying to get give some examples of why it's so hard to make a living and why also psychologically if you're like 25 50 2600 um you know if you have a bad tournament like say you play open turns in the us you play two or three of these you finish i don't know if you have a good good solid result you got six and a half points and you finish like one point out of first place um and you have like two tournaments you're good but like this and you lose money then in back your mind you're it's not just about chess anymore you're worried that like i'm losing money every tournament um yeah so it's uh aren't there just too many gm's maybe but what i would also add as well is that when i look at this field and i see these players like these players in like this 26 50 to like 27 range all these players if there are more online tournaments and they're more tournaments in general that and they're more sponsors that means they're going to be more opportunities across the board it's not solely to be tournament to the top because right now as you see it um like they're they're at this topic about the magnus carlsen invitational or this champions tour but players like artemia players like um let's say duda or roddick whitacha just use some polish examples they don't get invitations so if you have say another separate event as well and then you have on and then you also have over the board tournaments you you you have many more opportunities opening up across the board and then it can start then it can start um start spilling over everywhere so that's why to me the notion of all these people are like no it's terrible this whole online boom nothing's gonna happen from it i think that's a very bad attitude to have because the only way that you're you're gonna have chess rise and promise the only way you're gonna have people pursuing the game more and more um is if you have more tournaments so so that's why i actually um that's that's why i have a big issue with it and then secondly think about think about a tournament like the world open not the world open specifically but like um you know some event that's held online if these players who finish in third to seventh could play from home for example they're making their prize fund they're making 2100 bucks they're not they're not having to spend all this money on on travel and food so if you have more terms online it is a good thing across the board and that's what that's why that's why i think it's very short-sighted when you hear from like fiji and you know you hear from certain people are like no it's terrible we want things to go back to the way they were i mean that should never be the goal it should not be about the absolute top players it should be about trying to have more opportunities for people across the board and that that's why it really bothers me that um that there's so many people within within field who are based like no you know it does it doesn't matter let's just let's just kill this thing before before it becomes become something real yeah i think i think i'm going to end there with um with this little bit of it but i hope this was enjoyable for you guys i hope you guys uh you know got some stuff out of it um and again like just to have some idea of how rough it really is you .thanks
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